ztfbjcn 发表于 2012-5-12 07:04:00

The China Marines 中与北京有关的照片

<b style="font-family: 宋体;"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">The China Marines </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">中照片很多,仅选若干与北京有关的照片</span></b><div><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><br/></span></b><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:21.0pt"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">1.</span></b><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">无标题。三个陆战队员在城墙上,背景是前门</span></b><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">。</span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:21.0pt"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:21.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">2.<strong><span style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; "> With the Chien Men Tower and the
Tartar Wall dominating the background</span></strong></span></b><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">,<span lang="EN-US"> a
Marine company drills on the American Glacis (parade ground) c.1907-10.<o:p></o:p></span></span></strong></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; font-family: 宋体;">从照片上看,美国操场离前门城楼如此之近。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></strong></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; font-family: 宋体;"><br/></span></strong><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">3. Marines of the 39th
Company pose with a 3"&nbsp;Naval Landing Gun on the Tartar Wall</span></strong><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">,<span lang="EN-US"> c.
1925</span></span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">&nbsp;</span></b></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; font-family: 宋体;">这小仓库挺<strong>有意思,西式建筑中式窗。<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></strong></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><strong style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; font-family: 宋体;"></span></strong></p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><span style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; font-family: 宋体;">4.Marines on Hatem Street, Peking c. 1925.jpg&nbsp;</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><span style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; ">Hatem&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; ">Street</span><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; text-indent: 21.75pt; ">-哈德门街?</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; text-indent: 21.75pt; "><br/></span><strong><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">&nbsp; &nbsp;5.The Marine Guard Detachment
at the unveiling of the Peking Memorial Tablets</span></strong><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">,<span lang="EN-US"> 13 February 1908. Three tablets were placed at Guard Post #2</span>,<span lang="EN-US"> in honor of the American Forces who served in China during the
Boxer Rebellion.&nbsp;</span></span></strong></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><span style="font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold; "><br/></span><strong style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">&nbsp; &nbsp;6. Securing a fallen
Marine until the next stateside boat arrives</span></strong></span></p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:21.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; font-family: 宋体;">魂归故里。</span></strong></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; "><br/>&nbsp; &nbsp;7.</span></strong><strong style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">&nbsp;A Japanese tank
rolls through Peiping</span></strong><strong style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; ">,<span lang="EN-US"> summer 1937</span></span></strong></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; font-family: 宋体;">看得出来是哪儿吗?棋盘街?<span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></strong></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:21.75pt"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><strong><span style="font-size: 12pt; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial="initial"initial; background-repeat: initial="initial"initial; "><br/>&nbsp; &nbsp;8.</span></strong><b style="background-color: white; text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#2E3D47;mso-font-kerning:0pt">Reopening
the west gates to the Legation Quarter</span></b><b style="background-color: white; text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(46, 61, 71); ">,</span></b><b style="background-color: white; text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#2E3D47;mso-font-kerning:0pt"> late
summer 1937</span></b><b style="background-color: white; text-align: center; text-indent: 36pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(46, 61, 71); ">&nbsp;</span></b></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;mso-layout-grid-align:
none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">日本军队在1937年7月占领北平后,美国海军陆战队行动受到限制。</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:#2E3D47;mso-font-kerning:0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;mso-layout-grid-align:
none;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br/>&nbsp; &nbsp;9.</span></b><st1:state w:st="on" style="background-color: white; text-indent: 21.75pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#2E3D47;mso-font-kerning:
0pt">Col</span></b></st1:state><b style="background-color: white; text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;
color:#2E3D47;mso-font-kerning:0pt"> Ashurst arriving surrendering the <st1:place w:st="on">North China</st1:place> Marine forces (Photo courtesy of Mike Hester)</span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;mso-layout-grid-align:
none;text-autospace:none"><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-indent: 24.1pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;">1941年日本挑起一系列的争端,导致一名陆战队员受伤。海军陆战队接到命令,准备于1941年12月10号撤离。但<st1:chsdate isrocdate="False" islunardate="False" day="8" m="m"year="2012" w:st="on">12月8日</st1:chsdate>,日本袭击珍珠港,太平洋战争爆发,日本军队包围了美国驻华北海军陆战队驻军,命令投降。<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-indent: 24.1pt; "><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp;<br/>&nbsp; &nbsp; 10.</span></b><b style="background-color: white; text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#2E3D47;mso-font-kerning:0pt">The
Marines return to <st1:place w:st="on">Peiping</st1:place> October 1945 </span></b><b style="background-color: white; text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp;</span></b></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><span style="font-family: 宋体;"><st1:chsdate isrocdate="False" islunardate="False" day="7" m="m"year="1945" w:st="on" style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">&nbsp; &nbsp; 1945</span></b><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">年</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">10</span></b><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">月</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; ">7</span></b><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">日</span></b></st1:chsdate><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">陆战队返回北平</span></b><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">,</span></b><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">任务是协助解除日本军队武装</span></b><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">,</span></b><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">协助</span></b><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">维持</span></b><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">社会秩序及</span></b><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">协助</span></b><b style="text-indent: 21.75pt; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">国民党政府重新控制政权。</span></b></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/>&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/><br/>&nbsp; &nbsp;<br/>&nbsp; &nbsp;这张是天桥吗?</o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/><br/>&nbsp; &nbsp;<br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p>老车站的照片见过很多,但</o:p></span></b><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:宋体;
mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;background:white;mso-font-kerning:1.0pt;mso-ansi-language:
EN-US;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">从这个方向拍摄的照片不多见。</span></strong></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p>别了,美丽的天际线。</o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/>&nbsp; &nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 宋体;"><o:p><br/></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-indent: 24.1pt; "><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
宋体;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;Times New="New"Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:宋体;mso-font-kerning:
0pt;mso-ansi-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:widow-orphan;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-US"><span style="color: rgb(46, 61, 71); font-size: 12pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="text-align:left;text-indent:24.1pt;
mso-char-indent-count:2.0;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
宋体;mso-hansi-font-family:&quot;Times New="New"Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:宋体;mso-font-kerning:
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黑龙 发表于 2012-5-14 10:02:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>zhaohq</i>在2012/5/14 6:46:00的发言:</b><br/>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p></div>感觉有点像美国使馆南门顶部

zhaohq 发表于 2012-5-14 06:46:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ztfbjcn</i>在2012/5/12 7:04:00的发言:</b><br/>
<div><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><br/><img title="oldbeijing.org" src="http://oldbeijing.org/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下:pekcover.jpg<br/><a href="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs//2012-5/20125126133326609.jpg" target="_blank"><img title="oldbeijing.org" style="WIDTH: 650px" alt="按此在新窗口浏览图片" src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs//2012-5/20125126133326609.jpg" border="0"/></a><br/></span></b>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 21pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1.</span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">无标题。三个陆战队员在城墙上,背景是前门</span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">。</span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-LEFT: 21pt"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><br/><img title="oldbeijing.org" src="http://oldbeijing.org/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下:early.jpg<br/><a href="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs//2012-5/20125126164134651.jpg" target="_blank"><img title="oldbeijing.org" style="WIDTH: 650px" alt="按此在新窗口浏览图片" src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs//2012-5/20125126164134651.jpg" border="0"/></a></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2.<strong><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" ? initial; initial="initial" background-repeat: initial?> a Marine company drills on the American Glacis (parade ground) </span></span></strong></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><span class="apple-converted-space"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体"><strong style="TEXT-INDENT: 21.75pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-INDENT: 24.1pt" align="left"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" 0pt;mso-ansi-language:ZH-CN? Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:宋体;mso-font-kerning: New?><?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><o:P></o:P></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white; mso-pagination: widow-orphan"><b><span lang="EN-US"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: rgb(46,61,71)"><o:P></o:P></span></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-INDENT: 24.1pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-layout-grid-align: none; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0" align="left"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" 0pt;mso-ansi-language:ZH-CN? Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:宋体;mso-font-kerning: New?><o:P></o:P></span></b></p>
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<p>图片不错!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>关于第1图的标注“三个陆战队员在城墙上”有疑问。</p>
<p>将1.2两图结合看,第1图里的三个陆战队员不在城墙上,似在美使馆区某建筑楼顶处的女墙内。</p>
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<p>或许就是这座建筑物早期(2层建筑物时期)&nbsp;楼顶处的女墙内(下图里红圈处)。</p>
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[此贴子已经被作者于2012/5/14 9:58:54编辑过]

zhaohq 发表于 2012-5-15 15:36:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>符望阁</i>在2012/5/15 14:59:00的发言:</b><br/>我覺得第一張圖的拍攝位置應該是(圖中綠色線框所註) <br/><img title="oldbeijing.org" style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick="javascript:window.open(this.src);" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://oldbeijing.org/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下:ss.jpg<br/><a href="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs//2012-5/20125151525444735.jpg" target="_blank"><img title="oldbeijing.org" style="WIDTH: 650px; CURSOR: pointer" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs//2012-5/20125151525444735.jpg" border="0"/></a><br/>
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<p>绿框内的楼房稍低了一点,角度也略大了一点。</p>
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btchl 发表于 2012-5-15 13:43:00

好图,清晰度真高!

ztfbjcn 发表于 2012-5-15 07:08:00

谢谢二位指正。<div>我在加注时曾有些犹豫:1.如果是在城墙上,位置似乎应更偏南才对;2.高度略高于城墙,如果是使馆内建筑,应在三层以上,12-13米;3.小砖头,看不出是否水泥勾缝。</div><div>从拍摄点-城楼-城墙夹角分析,从使馆内拍摄更合理,但高度还是个问题,红圈所示位置估计在9米左右。没有南门照片,也不知道高度。手中的一幅大尺寸地图只标出了北门。(图太大了,压缩为1/4大小,4277X2612)</div><div><br/></div><div><br/><br/></div>


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zhaohq 发表于 2012-5-15 09:42:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>ztfbjcn</i>在2012/5/15 7:08:00的发言:</b><br/>
<div>从拍摄点-城楼-城墙夹角分析,从使馆内拍摄更合理,但高度还是个问题,红圈所示位置估计在9米左右。</div></div>
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<p>我的2楼帖里“或许就是这座建筑物早期(2层建筑物时期)&nbsp;楼顶处的女墙内(下图里红圈处)。”有误。</p>
<p>应为“或许就是这座建筑物早期(3层建筑物时期)......”。</p>
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<p>我又仔细看了一下,红圈处是现4楼窗口高度,3层建筑物时期楼的顶部(原女墙处?)。</p>
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<p><br/>‘疑似的拍摄地点’一图拍摄于1940年。</p>
<p>该建筑物早期(3层建筑物时期)的建成晚于1916年。</p>
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符望阁 发表于 2012-5-15 15:59:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>zhaohq</i>在2012/5/15 9:42:00的发言:</b><br/>
       
        <p><br/><img title="oldbeijing.org" src="skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" border="0" style="cursor:pointer;" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" />此主题相关图片如下:疑似的拍摄地点截图.jpg<br/><a href="UploadFile2011/2012-5/20125159423828900.jpg" target="_blank"><img title="oldbeijing.org" src="UploadFile2011/2012-5/20125159423828900.jpg" border="0" style="cursor: pointer; width: 650px; " alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看"/></a></p>
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        <p><br/>‘疑似的拍摄地点’一图拍摄于1940年。</p>
        <p>该建筑物早期(3层建筑物时期)的建成晚于1916年。</p>
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        請問幾個問題:1.這個建築叫什麼名字?或做什麼用的?2.有沒有你所說的3層建築物時期的照片?或記載?3.你說:“绿框内的楼房稍低了一点”那多高算高呢?(綠框裡的建築高度不會比城牆矮多少吧)4.你說:“角度大了一些”,那這個角度應該是多少?你有測算根據麼?

符望阁 发表于 2012-5-15 14:59:00

我覺得第一張圖的拍攝位置應該是(圖中綠色線框所註)
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kallgan 发表于 2012-5-16 15:13:00

<p>图3小仓库是这个吧</p>
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zhaohq 发表于 2012-5-18 07:07:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>kallgan</i>在2012/5/16 15:13:00的发言:</b><br/>
<p>图3小仓库是这个吧</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p><br/><img title="oldbeijing.org" style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick="javascript:window.open(this.src);" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://oldbeijing.org/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下:崇文门城墙.jpg<br/><a href="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs//2012-5/201251615122243358.jpg" target="_blank"><img title="oldbeijing.org" style="WIDTH: 650px; CURSOR: pointer" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs//2012-5/201251615122243358.jpg" border="0"/></a><br/>
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<p>这是德军防区。</p>
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<p><font face="Verdana">西方の哈徳門(崇文門)の眺め 壁の手前 ドイツ軍の稜堡 :</font></p><br/>
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zhaohq 发表于 2012-5-23 12:03:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>符望阁</i>在2012/5/15 15:59:00的发言:</b><br/></div>
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<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">請問個問題:1.這個建築叫什麼名字?或做什麼用的?2.有沒有你所說的3層建築物時期的照片?...... </div>
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<p>图片‘疑似的拍摄地点’中建筑的第4层有明显的后来接楼的痕迹。</p>
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<p>我找到一张‘疑似的拍摄地点’中的4层建筑接楼以前(3层建筑物时期)露出一角的照片。</p>
<p>图“露出一角的美军兵营”里可见到‘疑似的拍摄地点’中的4层建筑接楼以前(3层建筑物时期)的西墙靠南的一面窗户和楼南面的烟囱。</p>
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zhaohq 发表于 2012-8-27 02:20:40

本帖最后由 zhaohq 于 2012-8-27 02:26 编辑

我在7楼帖里提到:
“我的2楼帖里‘或许就是这座建筑物早期(2层建筑物时期) 楼顶处的女墙内(下图里红圈处)。’有误。

应为‘或许就是这座建筑物早期(3层建筑物时期)......’。

我又仔细看了一下,红圈处是现4楼窗口高度,3层建筑物时期楼的顶部(原女墙处?)。”

注:
图片“美军营房”拍摄于1940年。该建筑物早期(3层建筑物时期)的建成晚于1916年。

zhaohq 发表于 2012-8-27 02:43:39

本帖最后由 zhaohq 于 2012-8-27 02:46 编辑

符望阁   曾经提出:
“請問幾個問題:1.這個建築叫什麼名字?或做什麼用的?2.有沒有你所說的3層建築物時期的照片?或記載?......”


关于问题2.有沒有你所說的3層建築物時期的照片?
现答复如下:

图381.(交民巷-东牌楼)是由西向东拍摄的“敷文”坊。
图381.里,右侧可见楼高3层顶部是女墙的美军营房北部建筑。

图033.(交民巷-两牌楼)视野更宽阔一些。
图033.里,右侧可见楼高3层顶部是女墙的美军营房中部及北部建筑。
图033应该拍摄于1924年之后,图内看到有轨电车正在驶入西交民巷......


zhaohq 发表于 2013-10-5 02:52:28

本帖最后由 zhaohq 于 2013-10-5 03:01 编辑

符望阁   曾经提出:
“請問幾個問題:1.這個建築叫什麼名字?或做什麼用的?2.有沒有你所說的3層建築物時期的照片?或記載?......”
......(略)。

图片找到了。

三层建筑时期的美军兵营






四层建筑时期的美军兵营



另附一张美军士兵在三层建筑屋顶女墙内的留影,背景是1915年末改造后的前门城楼。





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