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郭大誌 发表于 2012-1-14 19:05:00

北京话里“对能（四声）”是什么意思呀？

<p><img src="http://bgb-gdz.blog.sohu.com/"/>北京话里“对能（四声）”是什么意思呀？</p>
<p>“摸”读为“猫”音是北京口音吗？</p>

郭大誌 发表于 2012-1-18 14:57:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>长在胡同</i>在2012-1-17 14:55:00的发言：</b><br/>
<p>应该是“兑能”，“兑”读第三声，“能”读第一声，意思比如说做了令人不满意的事不虚心接受批评，而是为自己辩解找理由，就像顶嘴似的。“摸着”读“猫着”“觉着”读“脚着”“学”读第二声xiao“，这些都是城近郊不同地域北京话里常能听到的。</p></div>
<p>谢谢指教啦！</p>

长在胡同 发表于 2012-1-17 14:55:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>郭大誌</i>在2012-1-14 19:05:00的发言：</b><br/>
<p>北京话里“对能（四声）”是什么意思呀？</p>
<p>“摸”读为“猫”音是北京口音吗？</p></div>
<p>应该是“兑能”，“兑”读第三声，“能”读第一声，意思比如说做了令人不满意的事不虚心接受批评，而是为自己辩解找理由，就像顶嘴似的。“摸着”读“猫着”“觉着”读“脚着”“学”读第二声xiao“，这些都是城近郊不同地域北京话里常能听到的。</p>

大二 发表于 2012-1-14 19:41:00

<p>“对能（四声）”是“顶撞”、“对抗”意思。</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“猫”音是北京口音&nbsp;&nbsp; 评剧《花为媒》阮妈唱词：我就猫啊，我就猫啊，我就猫了一块大石头！</p>

jinmao 发表于 2012-1-14 21:24:00

哦对对对楼主说的是对弄啊，就是较劲对着干的意思

jinmao 发表于 2012-1-14 19:10:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>郭大誌</i>在2012-1-14 19:05:00的发言：</b><br/>
<p><img style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick="javascript:window.open(this.src);" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://bgb-gdz.blog.sohu.com/"/>北京话里“对能（四声）”是什么意思呀？</p>
<p>“摸”读为“猫”音是北京口音吗？</p></div>
<p>这不是北京话，是东北话吧。北京话说对就是，没错，没问题</p>

东郊老土 发表于 2012-1-14 22:10:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>jinmao</i>在2012-1-14 21:24:00的发言：</b><br/>
       
        哦对对对楼主说的是对弄啊，就是较劲对着干的意思
       
</div><div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">“对弄”主要的意思还是“应付”，其中还包含“没理搅三分”。</div><p></p>

勤业斋 发表于 2012-1-25 20:16:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>大二</i>在2012-1-14 19:41:00的发言：</b><br/>
       
        <p>“对能（四声）”是“顶撞”、“对抗”意思。</p>
        <p>&nbsp;</p>
        <p>“猫”音是北京口音&nbsp;&nbsp; 评剧《花为媒》阮妈唱词：我就猫啊，我就猫啊，我就猫了一块大石头！</p>
       
</div><p><br/></p><p>是泥鳅吧，不是石头！</p>

大漠孤狼 发表于 2012-2-16 14:01:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>大二</i>在2012-1-14 19:41:00的发言：</b><br/>
<p>“对能（四声）”是“顶撞”、“对抗”意思。</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>“猫”音是北京口音&nbsp;&nbsp; 评剧《花为媒》阮妈唱词：我就猫啊，我就猫啊，我就猫了一块大石头！</p></div>
<p>评剧是唐山的戏种，阮妈赵丽蓉是天津宝坻人，宝坻口音跟唐山话基本一样。</p>
<p>不过摸在标准的老国语里就是念猫，学念淆。</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>南城外农夫对“对能”一词的解释，俺比较赞同，但“对”字应该发成三声。而且此词应该与“嘟囔”同源，就如同说人脏的形容词“naza”或“naze”就是现在的“肮脏”一样。现在的无韵字在过去的国语里大多加“n”，如爱发耐音，饿发ne音，欧发nou音，阿发na音，安发nan音，恩发nen音，肮发nang音……！</p>

南郊农夫 发表于 2012-2-8 21:02:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>郭大誌</i>在2012-1-14 19:05:00的发言：</b><br/>
<p><img style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick="javascript:window.open(this.src);" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://bgb-gdz.blog.sohu.com/"/>北京话里“对能（四声）”是什么意思呀？</p></div>
<p style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm" class="MsoNormal" 0cm? 0cm="0cm" 0pt?><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast">个人理解，<span lang="EN-US">“</span>对能<span lang="EN-US">”</span>、<span lang="EN-US">“</span>对弄<span lang="EN-US">”</span>从字面上理解都不太切意，应写作<span lang="EN-US">“</span>对哝<span lang="EN-US">”，“哝”字一音变为去声轻读。“哝”字一音，也有人</span>口语发音读成“对哝<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" New? Roman?; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>n</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>è</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" New? Roman?; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>n</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>ɡ”的，这是哝<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" New? Roman?; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>n</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>ò</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" New? Roman?; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>n</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA?>ɡ音的土音讹变。</span></span><span lang="EN-US">‘</span>哝<span lang="EN-US">’</span>字有小声说话之意。如；小声说话有“咕哝”一词。<span lang="EN-US">“</span>对哝<span lang="EN-US">”</span>这句话的意思是争辩，虽说是一种语言顶撞，因它是小声争辩，所以是一种弱势的顶撞。长用在下级不顺从上级、孩子不顺从父母上。</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast" lang="EN-US"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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李致同 发表于 2012-3-20 11:54:00

有趣的方言

龙闹闹 发表于 2012-4-3 21:15:00

偶老妈教训偶的时候经常说：不许对哝。就是不许犟嘴，不许申辩。呵呵

aidushu 发表于 2012-4-7 06:05:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>南城外农夫</i>在2012/2/8 21:02:00的发言：</b><br/>
<p style="MARGIN-TOP: 0cm; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm" class="MsoNormal" 0pt? 0cm="0cm" 0cm?><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 13.5pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast">个人理解，<span lang="EN-US">“</span>对能<span lang="EN-US">”</span>、<span lang="EN-US">“</span>对弄<span lang="EN-US">”</span>从字面上理解都不太切意，应写作<span lang="EN-US">“</span>对哝<span lang="EN-US">”，“哝”字一音变为去声轻读。“哝”字一音，也有人</span>口语发音读成“对哝<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: minor-bidi; mso-bidi-theme-font: Roman?; New?>n</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: minor-bidi; mso-bidi-theme-font: Roman?; New?>è</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: minor-bidi; mso-bidi-theme-font: Roman?; New?>n</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: minor-bidi; mso-bidi-theme-font: Roman?; New?>ɡ”的，这是哝<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: minor-bidi; mso-bidi-theme-font: Roman?; New?>n</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: minor-bidi; mso-bidi-theme-font: Roman?; New?>ò</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" lang="EN-US" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: minor-bidi; mso-bidi-theme-font: Roman?; New?>n</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times new=" AR-SA? mso-bidi-language: ZH-CN; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-ansi-language: minor-bidi; mso-bidi-theme-font: Roman?; New?>ɡ音的土音讹变。</span></span><span lang="EN-US">‘</span>哝<span lang="EN-US">’</span>字有小声说话之意。如；小声说话有“咕哝”一词。<span lang="EN-US">“</span>对哝<span lang="EN-US">”</span>这句话的意思是争辩，虽说是一种语言顶撞，因它是小声争辩，所以是一种弱势的顶撞。长用在下级不顺从上级、孩子不顺从父母上。</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-fareast-font-family: 宋体; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-fareast; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-fareast" lang="EN-US"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>老师解释的好啊，这个词在山东话里也有，就是顶撞、出言不逊。不过山东话里这词念“dui&nbsp; nang”，前一字二声，后一字发轻声。</p>

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