Is English an universal language?英语算是通用语言吗？

弘德皇帝

i'm very glad that more and more foreigners start to learn Chinese.

靳京

It is absolutely right for the whole world to get ready as China is catching up and become the main stream of world ecomony. However, what about the political system that is way behind, which will be a big and instant obstacle to the great momentum?

弘德皇帝

China is in the pre-modern society, which will be a long time.

靳京

It's always been on my mind that if ever the Chinese Mandarin ever becomes the so-called universal language, would that be a exam-oriented education system or more of a communicative ones worldwide? Would you like other foreigners to come to China and/or in their own countries for test by test to get to certain "level" rather than communicating with each other worldwide to get the information delivered? What will the professional Chinese teachers here in CHINA plan to tell the world how the language is then taught or prepare all kinds of tests for the whole world??

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我一直在想如果中国的普通话变成所谓的世界通用语言了，汉语教学方法会是应试教育吗，还是世界性的交际式的方法？你会让外国人在他们本国或来中国经历一个个的考试达到多少"级"，还是让他们在世界范围内学会随心所欲地传达各类信息，达到交流的目的？到那时,在中国的专业汉语教师计划会向全世界宣布如何教授汉语, 还是为全世界准备各类考题？？

vanish

1.我第一次进课堂时 被学生投诉为发音有问题 听不懂 因我惯用英音～

   后改用美语 被学生赞为发音好听.......................悲哀

 

2. 英音鼻音重 听起来确实比较生涩

   ～美语就像北京土话 说起来溜嗖 顺耳 呵呵 个人愚见

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3. 什么时候美国听联合国的了 世界语就通用了～～～

 

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4. 说实话 除了亚洲几个国家 真说学中文的 比如各学校选修课学中文的非华裔学生 很少很少

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    所谓汉语热是吹出来的

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5. 汉托咱们考估计能到9级就不容易～～有机会可以试试

弘德皇帝

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以下是引用vanish在2010-12-28 18:36:00的发言：
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1.我第一次进课堂时 被学生投诉为发音有问题 听不懂 因我惯用英音～

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   后改用美语 被学生赞为发音好听.......................悲哀

 

2. 英音鼻音重 听起来确实比较生涩

   ～美语就像北京土话 说起来溜嗖 顺耳 呵呵 个人愚见

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3. 什么时候美国听联合国的了 世界语就通用了～～～

 

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4. 说实话 除了亚洲几个国家 真说学中文的 比如各学校选修课学中文的非华裔学生 很少很少

    所谓汉语热是吹出来的

 

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5. 汉托咱们考估计能到9级就不容易～～有机会可以试试

版主不应该改美音啊，呵呵。如果您是说英音，那咱握个手。英音是美音的基础，不少的美语发音是在英音的基础之上，随着时代的发展而进行的变化。所以说“美音强于英音”的人，实乃外行也，不必理会。当然，说英音也得看您说的是哪个地区的。南部英格兰当为上乘者，现今温莎皇室当为顶尖。伊丽莎白二世的发音与普通民众明显不同，她的发音点很高。英格兰中北部诸如纽卡斯尔以及苏格兰地区英音中口音很重。以至于有的时候很难听懂他们在说什么。威尔士与北爱的英语也各自有各自的口音，但其基本英音特点变化不大。

弘德皇帝

当然了，如果咱们学英语之人有能讲一口英格兰北部口音，或是澳式英语的人，那已经说明他的英音相当不错了。

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美音如果说好了，也是很不错的。但是当然，大部分人都被影视剧所迷惑，模仿里面的发音。在这里，美国总统贝拉克.奥巴马的发音就与国务卿希拉里.克林顿的发音呈现鲜明对比。希拉里的发音是美式英语中上乘者，而奥巴马的发音则很不标准，这与他早年在印度尼西亚确实有关，但前任总统小布什的美语说的也是一般水平。若能讲一口流利美语者，照样很受欢迎。

vanish

haha 我觉得还是那个道理

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谁有钱谁有实力 谁就是老大~~~

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一种语言或是语音流行与否 取决于使用它得民族 

弘德皇帝

不过真正的研究语音的，都是以英音为上。传统的地位上，英式英语高于美式英语，而如果英音中带一些法语的味儿，那更显高贵。法语的高贵程度又要高于英语。

如果能在美国人面前讲一口标准的英式英语，他会对你非常刮目相看。

靳京

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以下是引用vanish在2010-12-29 9:20:00的发言：

haha 我觉得还是那个道理

 

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谁有钱谁有实力 谁就是老大~~~

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一种语言或是语音流行与否 取决于使用它得民族 

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The last one has re-confirmed the Esperento will never be popularized for the lack of a nation and its culture. 最后一句说明了没有民族和文化，世界语最终无法流行于世。

靳京

Well, well, well, whaaaat a big surprise to see another BANZHU who has been supposed to be VANISHED for years!!!

Happy New Yr. of Rabbit then. Welcome back along with the new year.

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1) Look like Vanish has been a teacher of English with both accents at her wish, why didn't you talk here with us in English, British and/or American, just to be terribly curious？

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2）I do have a lot more questions for you since you have been absent for so long at the forum.

 

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3) THE Esperento will never, according to the experts worldwide, become universal no matter whoever controls the United Nation for the lack of cultural and historical background.

 

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4)...........

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Anyway, I have no comments for anyone, native and non-native, who shares the best "Englishes" in speech and/or conversation, as long as they are good leaders for the whole world, so to speak.

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Hope VANISH as a banzhu will stay here to manage the forum better than ever beginning in 2011.

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Again, Happy New Yr to everyone who pays attention to this forum.

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靳京

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以下是引用vanish在2010-12-28 18:36:00的发言：

1.我第一次进课堂时 被学生投诉为发音有问题 听不懂 因我惯用英音～

   后改用美语 被学生赞为发音好听.......................悲哀

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2. 英音鼻音重 听起来确实比较生涩

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   ～美语就像北京土话 说起来溜嗖 顺耳 呵呵 个人愚见

 

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3. 什么时候美国听联合国的了 世界语就通用了～～～

 

4. 说实话 除了亚洲几个国家 真说学中文的 比如各学校选修课学中文的非华裔学生 很少很少

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    所谓汉语热是吹出来的

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5. 汉托咱们考估计能到9级就不容易～～有机会可以试试

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Questions to 5: what is the Han Tuo? Where can I find a test and give it a try? It sounds very funny to me. But please advise.

vanish

Sorry~~but I am not used to speaking in English out of class.

 

Han Tuo is what we call HSK~

Hope this website will help you http://www.hsk.org.cn/

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I have been Banzhu Here for ~~days?(I'm not sure~)

Thank you for your advise

I will fulfill my obligation from now on.

 

Ps: There is an example of HSK

http://www.hsk.org.cn/oldmoni/jcYJ.doc

弘德皇帝

it's my first time to hear a test called "Hantuo". Haha, i'll try it.

靳京

This is one of the smart "made-in-China" types of translation copied from 1st part of T-O-EFL (托福） to sound more scholastic. It's called "基础汉语水平考试". However, it has NOT at all been recognized before the funny name Hantuo (汉托）is out there in the public.

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Happy New Yr. again, anyway!

靳京

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以下是引用vanish在2011-1-12 17:32:00的发言：

Sorry~~but I am not used to speaking in English out of class.

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Please take this forum as one of your English class. That way we all benefit and share from your instruction. Don't be shy about it. No one here is perfect, whatever British and/or American English you will   use. Nobody will hear the accent from you, anyway. Then you'll be able to keep leading the forum better and better as a qualified Banzhu. Hope this is not at all too much for you.

就请您将这个论坛当做您的英语授课，这样我们都会从您的教学分享中收益的。请别不好意思，世上没有完人，无论您使用英式还是美式英语，没有人会听到您的发音，这样，您作为一个称职的版主，才能更好地带领这个论坛越办越好。希望这对您并不过分。

弘德皇帝

Just a forum, so do what you want.版主不能老不上线啊！

靳京

Exactly. Look at other hosts in other sections of "老北京网" who have set up very good examples for the perticipants to follow up with very active personal involvement accordingly. However, we are still here without a head, but very relaxed. Nope, our hosts still hang in there anyway, watching down and supervising us. We see them every time when we are online. Hi, it's rabbit year already！！

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确实是啊。看看“老北京网”其它板块的版主们，为参与者们树立了多好的榜样啊，使得他们人气兴旺，与情俱进。而我们坚守在此仍群龙无首, 倒也清闲自在。不对，版主还是盘挂上方，向下监督着我们呢。每次上网都见到他们的。你们好，兔年到了！！

靳京

I can't stop laughing for this. Anyway, this is Yr. of Rabbit, a New Yr. One of my new year resolutions  is NOT to bother and/or mind others' business which has nothing to do with me because I hate gossips. They might have their ideas in dealing with their surroundings. They deserve respect for the forum stillopen to the public.

禁不住的大笑起来。不管怎么说，已经是兔年了，我今年的愿望之一就是少管他人的、对我来说的“闲事”, 同时我也讨厌流言蜚语。他们为人处世有自己的考量，对本论坛能持续向公众开放，他们应得到应有的尊重。

弘德皇帝

Yes, maybe the BANZHU put a monitor here to scout us.

太液池

从来没进这个版来。。。这是给老外看吗？

另外，应该是 a universal language。或者lingua franca

靳京

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以下是引用太液池在2011-2-23 3:12:00的发言：
从来没进这个版来。。。这是给老外看吗？

另外，应该是 a universal language。或者lingua franca

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Thank you for your active role here. Any human being regardless of his/her race, gender, nationality   has a right to be here by law in a public forum unless s/he is unlawful including myself.

By the way, would you be kind enough to tell us what's right with "a universal language"? I would be   humble to take it if so.

感谢您的积极参与。任何人无论种族性别国际等都有权合法参与公共论坛的活动，除非他或她是违法的，包括我自己在内。

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另外，您能否为我们解释一下为什么“应该是 a universal language。”（英语的）？如果是，我愿欣然接受。

现在您进这个板块了，欢迎您常来。

太液池

u 读做 ju: 时算辅音开头，不用an。如a university, an ultimatum

弘德皇帝

老外可以看，咱们中国人更可以看啊！！！

靳京

还是很感谢两位的赐教。

弘德皇帝

yes, it depends on whether it is a vowel or a consonant. For the consonant /j/, of courese the article "a" will be used.

靳京

Is the 1st letter of UNIVERSITY a vowel or consonant? Is it pronounced /yiu/优 or /jiu/究 ？

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究niversity or 优niversity ?

弘德皇帝

here u is pronounced as /ju:/, the initial phoneme is /j/, the consonant which is called "semivowel" consonant by some experts.

弘德皇帝

关于类似汉语“究”这么个读法，我也确实听到过，但这并非标准发音。

弘德皇帝

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