太液池 发表于 2011-1-15 06:54:00

颐和园东宫门外的牌楼题额是不是放反了?

我见着一个颐和园复建之前的老照片,牌楼立着好好的,背景可以看到没有佛香阁的万寿山。牌楼上是“罨秀”二字,当时就奇怪,不是应该是“涵虚”嘛。怕是自己孤陋寡闻,不知道曾经调了个个。特来问问。<div><br/></div><div>如果牌楼立着好好的,干吗动它呀?</div>

太液池 发表于 2011-1-15 18:01:00

看来这个照片挺少见的,过两天给拍下来。<div><br/></div><div>我当时手头记的是三间四柱三楼,但不冲天,也没有戗柱。与《万寿庆典图》相符。</div><div><br/></div><div>这么说是慈禧改成七楼的时候给安反了。按乾隆的习惯七楼九楼的牌楼都配四个字的。

象刀子一样 发表于 2011-1-15 13:41:00

<p>您把老照片传上来看看</p>

颐和小金 发表于 2011-1-15 23:41:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>太液池</i>在2011-1-15 6:54:00的发言:</b><br/>
       
        我见着一个颐和园复建之前的老照片,牌楼立着好好的,背景可以看到没有佛香阁的万寿山。牌楼上是“罨秀”二字,当时就奇怪,不是应该是“涵虚”嘛。怕是自己孤陋寡闻,不知道曾经调了个个。特来问问。<div><br/></div><div>如果牌楼立着好好的,干吗动它呀?</div>

       
</div><p></p><br/>会不会被大他坦、步军统领衙门、南花园等等的挡住了?<br/>

颐和小金 发表于 2011-1-15 23:37:00

&nbsp;放大了 仔细的看过 的确没有反!LZ多虑了!<br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2011-1/201111523365895543.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><br/>

颐和吴老 发表于 2011-1-16 05:52:00

<font class="Apple-style-span" face="楷体_GB2312" size="5"><b>小金的老照片和楼主说的不是一个,楼主说的是四柱三楼的牌楼,应是颐和园前身清漪圆遗物.希望看到照片.</b></font>

颐和吴老 发表于 2011-1-15 08:09:00

&nbsp;<span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span><span style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312; font-weight: bold;"><font size="5">有老照片就好说了。<br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2011-1/201111587193104.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2011-1/2011115883636707.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/><br/></font></span>

颐和吴老 发表于 2011-1-18 05:54:00

&nbsp;<span style="font-family: 楷体_GB2312;"><font size="5"><span style="font-weight: bold;">&nbsp;&nbsp; 是反的!楼主心细,收藏了。<br/>&nbsp;&nbsp; 看来是慈禧重修时失误造成的,慈禧就是喜欢繁缛花哨,还是清漪园的牌楼大气。</span></font></span>

太液池 发表于 2011-1-18 01:21:00

各位看官久等了,有图有真相!

<img src="http://img.obj.cc/forum/dvbbs/2011-1/20111181142020023.jpg" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="if(this.width>document.body.clientWidth*0.5) {this.resized=true;this.width=document.body.clientWidth*0.5;this.style.cursor='pointer';} else {this.onclick=null}" alt="" /><br/>

怕您看着费劲,下边的字是 pai-lou outside entrance to Birthday Hill, an Imperial park

出自康奈尔大学收藏的(另)一本相册

双鹤斋 发表于 2011-1-19 04:53:00

牌楼的变化不是简单说花哨,那是等级的提高,光绪所改不是随心来的

simwong 发表于 2011-1-18 21:00:00

<p>我只是把"<font face="Verdana">Birthday Hill, an Imperial park</font>"这几个字google了一下就出来了。话说Birthday Hill这个翻译蛮新鲜的。</p>
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<p>另两张确实都见过,不过还是谢谢啦,一张没见过就已经足够我激动几天了。</p>

simwong 发表于 2011-1-18 21:04:00

<p>看了这么多照片,感觉建颐和园时把清漪园时期破败的建筑都翻建了一遍,即便是还没完全倒塌的。就像上面的廓如亭、荇桥桥亭,应该都被“落架大修”了。</p>

simwong 发表于 2011-1-18 17:38:00

<p>又一张没见过的清漪园遗照,太兴奋了!</p>
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<p>LZ还掖着的都放出来呗</p>

黑龙 发表于 2011-1-18 17:51:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>太液池</i>在2011-1-18 1:21:00的发言:</b><br/>各位看官久等了,有图有真相! <br/><img title="oldbeijing.org" style="CURSOR: pointer" onclick="javascript:window.open(this.src);" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif" border="0"/>此主题相关图片如下:清漪园东宫门牌楼.jpg<br/><a href="http://bbs.oldbeijing.net/UploadFile/2011-1/20111181142020023.jpg" target="_blank"></a><br/>怕您看着费劲,下边的字是 pai-lou outside entrance to Birthday Hill, an Imperial park 出自康奈尔大学收藏的(另)一本相册 </div>
<p>太珍贵了,看来真是反了,但相信不会是搞错了,估计是有些风水说法的(类似转运什么的)</p>
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<p>难得看到了这牌坊的早期形制,感谢“太液池”</p>
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<p>另外敢问可否把其他相册公布一下,一睹真容了,大学的网站翻了个底朝天,也看不到这些照片</p>

simwong 发表于 2011-1-18 17:52:00

<p>下面是俺在网上查到的书目。</p>
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<p>除了楼主刚放出来的这张,还有两张清漪园的遗照:</p>
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<p>Photo View - island in lake and Birthday Hill&nbsp; </p>
<p>貌似是南湖岛</p>
<p><br/>Photo Marble junk - Birthday Hill</p>
<p>石舫</p>
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<p><font face="Verdana">Album of photographs of Peking and its environs, taken about 1879<br/>(No author or creator indicated)<br/>Cornell University Library<br/>Rare and Manuscript Archives/Charles Wason Collection on China and the Chinese<br/>_____________________________________________________________________&nbsp; <br/>&nbsp;<br/>Material Description Place <br/>&nbsp;<br/>Box 1&nbsp; <br/>&nbsp;<br/>Marbled paper Album endpiece w/ inscriptions No place <br/>Photo Mausoleum No place <br/>Stereo view Boats No place <br/>Stereo view Boats No place <br/>Stereo view Boats No place <br/>Stereo view Garden/cemetary No place <br/>Photo Group of people (faded) No place <br/>Watercolor on paper Building behind a wall with people No place <br/>Black &amp; white print Customs House Shanghai <br/>Tinted photo Women of Soochow in wheelbarrow Suzhou <br/>Tinted photo Chinese woman weaving Suzhou <br/>Tinted photo 3 Chinese men (Food vendor, smoking clay pipes)&nbsp;&nbsp; <br/>Tinted photo 2 criminals in cangue&nbsp; <br/>Tinted photo Group - execution of a criminal No place <br/>Tinted photo Portrait of a man - merchant(?) No place <br/>Photo Pavilion Peking <br/>Photo Altar of Sacrifice at Temple of Heaven&nbsp; <br/>Photo Money changer's shop Peking <br/>Photo View - Beggar's village Peking <br/>Photo North end Imperial Palace&nbsp; <br/>Photo Emperor's Palace Peking <br/>Photo Bell tower Peking <br/>Photo Russian legation Peking <br/>Photo Southwest gate Peking <br/>Photo Roman Catholic cathedral Peking <br/>Photo Inn yard w/ people and horse (mule) carts Peking <br/>Photo Lama temple Peking <br/>Photo Lama temple - Life of Buddha stone carving Peking <br/>Envelope &amp; paper Pencil drawings of large temple bell&nbsp; <br/>paper Pencil drawing of large temple bell&nbsp; <br/>Photo Temple of big bell Peking <br/>Photo Pagoda near Peking <br/><strong><font color="#000000">Photo Entrance to Birthday Hill/Imperial Park&nbsp; <br/></font>Photo View - island in lake and Birthday Hill&nbsp; <br/>Photo Marble junk - Birthday Hill&nbsp; <br/></strong>&nbsp;<br/>Box 2&nbsp; <br/>&nbsp;<br/>Photo Temple near Peking <br/>Photo Eunuch's tower Pi yun Sze <br/>Photo Park near Peking <br/>Photo Guest room Pi yun Sze <br/>Photo Avenue of stone animals - Ming tomb near Peking <br/>Photo Mule litter Nan Kou Pass <br/>Photo Great Wall Nan Kou Pass <br/>Photo Archway Nan Kou Pass <br/>Photo Great Wall Ku Pei Kou <br/>Photo Interior Treaty Temple Tientsin <br/>Photo Roman Catholic cathedral ruins Tientsin <br/>Photo Interior Buddhist temple&nbsp; <br/>Photo View - Snowy valley near Ningpo <br/>Photo View - Snowy valley waterfall near Ningpo <br/>Photo View - Snowy valley houses near Ningpo <br/>Photo View - near Tien ding Temple w/ people near Ningpo <br/>Photo View - near Tien ding Temple w/ trees near Ningpo <br/>Photo Island in Yangtze&nbsp; <br/>Photo Golden Island Chinkiang <br/>Photo Silver Island Chinkiang <br/>Photo Stone structure - Island of Pootoo Chusan group <br/>Photo Temple courtyard Putuo Island (Zhejiang) <br/>Photo Scene in Pootoo Putuo Island (Zhejiang) <br/>Photo View in Pootoo Putuo Island (Zhejiang) <br/>Photo Temple in Pootoo Putuo Island (Zhejiang) <br/>Photo Temple in Pootoo Putuo Island (Zhejiang) </font></p>

太液池 发表于 2011-1-18 19:36:00

呵呵,我确实掖着几张,不过另外两张没有什么特别的,Morrison的相册里有。见楼下。<div><br/></div><div>请问 simwong 怎么找到这些资料的?

</div><div><br/></div><div>其他我只拍了几张,没好意思都拍(希望他们可以都扫下来,以某种方式公布于众)。我还是把这几张都放到图片版吧。</div>

太液池 发表于 2011-1-18 19:44:00

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(廓如亭印象中很少见)
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黑龙 发表于 2011-1-18 20:33:00

<p>谢谢“太液池”网友的无私;这两张确实都在东洋文库都见过</p>
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<p>这批照片挺古怪的,一直还不能确定是谁拍的</p>

myusername 发表于 2011-4-17 19:27:00

我记得原来北宫门是清漪园的正门吧?

lukan 发表于 2011-4-17 18:43:00

牌楼这张牛X&nbsp; 第一次见~
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