比托拍天津大沽口炮台系列照片再整理-图说-服务器里的北京 - 老北京网

rishon 发表于 2009-5-25 22:21:00

比托拍天津大沽口炮台系列照片再整理

今天很意外的找到了一组收藏于大英图书馆的比托照片辑.此辑照片是比托在第二次鸦片战争期间,英法联军攻陷天津大沽口炮台后拍摄的.之前在网络中出现过较多此场景的照片.此辑照片基本包含了之前所见.也有几张较为少见.但仍不完整.除天津外,其余还剩四张人物照,包含恭亲王弈忻等.而比托拍摄的北京系列可能大英图书馆没有收藏.个人未找到相关内容.借此照片辑,我整理了下比托所拍摄的天津大沽炮台系列照片,一一贴出.
 
    此外,在前段时间的比托照片整理工作中,曾于某加拿大网站见到了所收藏比托照片目录.该网站不提供图片,根据目录来看,它基本收藏了比托的所有照片辑.个人整理了其中涉及中国的照片.按照其自身的编号来列出.包含英文文件名.经过一段时间的确认.个人所见其中的中国照片大多数已经可见,可参考之前的一帖<比托大全>.而同为HK所整理的<疑似或冒充比托大全>里出现的照片,目录中较少涉及.同时目录里还出现了如上海、武汉、大连等可能为1860年后在中国拍摄的照片个人还未曾多见.此话题暂于下帖再提. 
 
    先整理贴出天津系列照片.
 
    这是一组应包含九张照片的全景照.但怀疑缺少了一张,01与03张似乎缺少了一张,剩下03-06应较全.
 

 
 
 
 
 
    下面这组编号为005和012是我补充添加的.其他照片之前均曾出现.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
    最后这组人物照均为第二次鸦片战争期间所涉及的重要人物,之前曾见过三张.
 
 
 
 
 
    补充天津系列的照片,引自HK所做的一文<a href="http://bbs.oldbeijing.org/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=16&ID=34545">《比托大全》</a>
 
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simwong 发表于 2009-5-27 16:16:00

斑马工作组招人吗？如招，需要什么条件？加入后有什么权利和义务？

斑马发表于 2009-5-27 16:31:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用simwong在2009-5-27 16:16:00的发言： 
斑马工作组招人吗？如招，需要什么条件？加入后有什么权利和义务？</div>
 
加入的人必须是深入研究而不是只是停留在兴趣上或只为了完成论文等，有一定的基础，工作室人员每个人都自己的研究小课题，彼此不冲突，相互帮助其最大化的完成所研究的项目。其它没啥条件了，有好的项目或机会肯定大家一起做，一起分享荣誉，所得的收入也是按劳分配，我所有庞大的历史文献资料和人事关系在工作室都是共享的。但很忌讳有了成绩或有机会自己私下干，以前出现过，类似的人工作室只能逐渐都远离了。

rishon 发表于 2009-5-27 13:59:00

想了半天才想好要说什么.
 
其实我想这更多的是一部分80后的人的心声.80后已经不同于稍大一代的70后,许多想法已经突破传统,但很多方面又继承了以往.记得看过一个斑马工作室的报道,觉得尽管80后有这样一部分人,但相比似乎少了很多.之后的90后看似更少了.
而且很多想法还是到了年龄才一点一点觉悟的.感概自己年龄越来越大了.......

斑马发表于 2009-5-27 15:03:00

随着时间的推移，我工作室的人也经过了反复的筛选和过滤，基本上保持在现有的人员基础上了，清一色80后。好歹早年就开始积累大量资料和各种关系，现在基本上站住脚了，未来的工作重点就是深入挖掘和发现各种资料和信息。宗旨是“走自己的路，叫别人跟着跑”

斑马发表于 2009-5-26 14:20:00

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder">以下是引用rishon在2009-5-26 8:28:00的发言： 
近两年来,或许是年纪的缘故,觉得研究一些问题不能再追求简单化的考查,而希望更加深入.当积累到一定程度,就需要一个平台表达出来.老北京就是这样一个平台.尽管我不是北京人,更多的还是对历史的关注.以前之所以不愿意看近代史,是因为觉得中国近代史是另人扼腕的.当对这段历史关注时,却又发现是残缺的.中国国内的近代史料很有限.很多都收藏于国外.
正如还未凑齐的十二生肖兽首,我们不能肯定的说,剩下的都已经不存在了.可能当年的拥有者忽视了他的价值,将其存放在某个角落,只是还未有人发掘.而收藏在国外的那些史料也正可能正静静的躺在某个库房内,只是还没有人去打开而已.</div>
 
说的好！我和我的斑马工作室成员多年来一直就是在努力逐个打开这些盒子，我一贯不喜欢走别人走过的路，只有探索新的未知领域才是有意义的事，按照别人已经走过的研究路线重走，一点意义没有！时代需要探索和发现新的历史。

黑龙发表于 2009-5-25 23:27:00

感谢楼主这么细心；
 
看看这张是不是没贴出来的一张
 
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斑马发表于 2009-5-25 22:47:00

比托照片原版下月即将被拍卖！明天就有新闻了！

rishon 发表于 2009-5-25 22:58:00

此目录的编号直接引自网站所用,首先前几组照片是出现于其他照片合辑中的,比托曾拍摄过印度、日本等诸多亚洲国家.在其不同的照片合辑中若干的包含了中国的几张,有如下:
 
PH1976-0062 View of the Hall of Prayer for a Good Harvest , Temple of Heaven 
PH1979-0481 View of the Meridian Gate to the Forbidden City (the Imperial Palace) PH1979-0482 注:这类均是由两幅小图合拼为一张全景的,下面可见包含两张、三张甚至最多八张的 Panorama of the northeast corner watchtower, walls, and Dongzhi Gate of the Inner City A.View of the east wall and Dongzhi Gate of the Inner City B.View of the northeast corner watchtower and walls of the Inner City
PH1980-0208-002 Panorama of the principal fa.ade of the Shanghai Northern Customhouse (the Old Temple Building), Shanghai, China, 1860-1870 A.View of the principal fa.ade of the Shanghai Northern Customhouse (the Old Temple Building), Shanghai, China, 1860-1870 B.View of the principal fa.ade of the Shanghai Northern Customhouse (the Old Temple Building), Shanghai, China, 1860-1870 PH1980-0380 Panorama showing part of the Great South Taku Fort and the Pei (Hai) River delta, with the upper South Taku Fort, the Upper North Taku Fort and the Lower North Taku Fort (the 2nd North Fort) in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) A.View showing part of the Great South Taku Fort and the Pei (Hai) River delta, with the upper South Taku Fort and the Upper North Taku Fort in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) B.View showing part of the Great South Taku Fort and the Pei (Hai) River delta, with the Lower North Taku Fort (also known as the 2nd North Fort) in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) C.View showing part of the outworks of the Great South Taku Fort and the Pei (Hai) River delta, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
PH1981-0620-043 View of a stone arch bridge on the Wusong Jiang (Suzhou Creek), Shanghai, China, 1860-1870 PH1981-0620-044 Vignette of two women riding in a wheelbarrow pushed by a man, Shanghai, China, 1860-1870 PH1981-0620-045 Vignette of junks and other sailing ships on the Wusong Jiang (Suzhou Creek) showing buildings in the background, Shanghai, China, 1860-1870 PH1981-0620-046 View of the veranda of a building showing men and a sedan chair, possibly Foochow (Fuzhou), China, 1860-1870 PH1981-0620-047-048 Panorama of Foochow (Fuzhou) showing part of the foreign settlement, the Bridge of Ten Thousand Ages and the Min River, China, 1860-1870 047.View of Foochow (Fuzhou) showing part of the foreign settlement and the Min River, China, 1860-1870 048.View of Foochow (Fuzhou) showing part of the foreign settlement, the Bridge of Ten Thousand Ages and the Min River, China, 1860-1870 PH1981-0620-049-051 Panorama of Hong Kong (Hong Kong, China), Hong Kong harbour and Kowloon Peninsula showing the Albany and other buildings, and ships, 1870 049.View of Hong Kong (Hong Kong, China) and Hong Kong harbour showing buildings and ships, 1870 050.View of Hong Kong (Hong Kong, China), Hong Kong harbour and Kowloon Peninsula showing buildings and ships, 1870 051.View of Hong Kong (Hong Kong, China), Hong Kong harbour and Kowloon Peninsula showing the Albany and other buildings, and ships, 1870 PH1982-0363-003 View of the principle fa.ade of the Shanghai Northern Customs House, Shanghai, China, 1862-1879 PH1982-0363-054 View of the British Concession on the Bund of Shanghai, showing the Oriental Bank, with the Public Garden (Huangpu Park) in the foreground, China, 1868-1879 PH1982-0643-091 View of Jingshan and the Ta-kao hsuan Hall (Dagaoxuan Dian) temple complex PH1985-0692 Panorama of the Lower North Taku Fort (the 2nd North Fort) showing earthwork cavaliers and defensive walls, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) A.View of the Lower North Taku Fort (the 2nd North Fort), showing an earthwork cavalier and defensive walls, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) B.View of the Lower North Taku Fort (the 2nd North Fort), showing earthwork cavaliers and defensive walls, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) PH1986-0132 View of the Belvedere of the God of Literature , Garden of the Clear Ripples PH1986-0347 Panorama of Jingshan , the Ta-kao hsuan Hall (Dagaoxuan Dian) temple complex, and the Forbidden City A.View of Jingshan , China, 1860-1870 A.View of the surroundings of Hukow (Hukou) showing the city walls, China, 1860-1870 B.View of the surroundings of Hukow (Hukou) showing the city walls, China, 1860-1870 C.View of the surroundings of Hukow (Hukou) showing the city walls and Stone Bell Hill , China, 1860-1870 PH1986-0361 View, from the Chinese city, of the foreign concessions in Kiu-kiang (Jiujiang), China, 1860-1870 PH1986-0362 View of the bund and foreign concessions, looking towards the Chinese city in Kiu-kiang (Jiujiang), China, 1860-1870 PH1986-0373 View of the Longhua Pagoda , Shanghai, China, 1860-1870 PH1986-0375 View of a walkway through the woods of Tien Dong (Tiantong Forest Park), near Ningpo (Ningbo), China, 1860-1870 PH1986-0376 View of the entrance to the Great Buddha Hall , Tien Dong (Tiantong) Temple, near Ningpo (Ningbo), China, 1860-1870
 
    下面这组是较全的一组中国照片,有想收藏比托的可参考下面这组照片.
 
PH1986-0901-001 恭亲王 Portrait of Prince Yixin (Prince Gong), son of Daoguang, Emperor of China, seated in an armchair
 
PH1986-0901-002 大连湾?个人好似未曾见过大连湾的这组照片 Panorama of Odin Bay looking toward Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Odin Bay looking toward Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Odin Bay looking toward Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Odin Bay looking toward Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Odin Bay looking toward Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)
 
PH1986-0901-003 同上 Panorama of Victoria Bay, adjacent to Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Victoria Bay, adjacent to Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Victoria Bay, adjacent to Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Victoria Bay, adjacent to Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Victoria Bay, adjacent to Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing military camps and farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)  View of Victoria Bay, adjacent to Talien Bay (Dalian Wan), showing farmland, near Ch'ing-ni-wa (part of Dalian)
 
PH1986-0901-004 北塘全景这组就是包含9张单照的一幅全景照,上帖中本人所提供的可能就是这组 Panorama showing the southern Pehtang Fort, the town of Pehtang (Beitang), and the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta, with the northern Pehtang Fort in the background, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta and part of a moat, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta and part of a moat, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the southern Pehtang Fort and the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the southern Pehtang Fort, the town of Pehtang (Beitang), and the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the southern Pehtang Fort, the town of Pehtang (Beitang), and the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta, with the northern Pehtang Fort in the background, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the southern Pehtang Fort, the town of Pehtang (Beitang), and the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the southern Pehtang Fort, the town of Pehtang (Beitang), and the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the southern Pehtang Fort and the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta, near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the southern Pehtang Fort and the Pehtang (Beitang) River delta, with the northern Pehtang Fort in the background, near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 
PH1986-0901-005 北塘 View of the southern Pehtang Fort, Pehtang (Beitang), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 
PH1986-0901-006 大沽炮台二张全景 Panorama showing the Tangku Fort, defensive walls, moats and a causeway, Tangku (Tanggu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the Tangku Fort, defensive walls, moats and a causeway, Tangku (Tanggu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the Tangku Fort, defensive walls, moats and a causeway, Tangku (Tanggu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 
PH1986-0901-007 大沽炮台系列至012本人上帖中基本是按照这个顺序来的 View of the ruins of the Upper North Taku Fort, showing an earthwork cavalier and defensive walls, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 PH1986-0901-008 Partial view of the ruins of the Upper North Taku Fort, showing defensive walls, a drawbridge and a moat, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) 
 PH1986-0901-009 Partial view of the ruins of the Upper North Taku Fort, showing defensive walls, palisades and ladders, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 PH1986-0901-010 Partial view of the ruins of the Upper North Taku Fort, showing dead soldiers, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 PH1986-0901-011 Partial view of the ruins of the Upper North Taku Fort, showing dead soldiers, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 PH1986-0901-012 View of the ruins of the Upper North Taku Fort, showing dead soldiers and an earthwork cavalier and defensive walls, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) 
 PH1986-0901-013 大沽炮台系列二张合景,此及下面014与015本人分辨不清,也是尚待继续寻找的某些照片. Panorama of the 2nd North Fort (Lower North Fort) showing earthwork cavaliers and defensive walls, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)   View of the Lower North Taku Fort (the 2nd North Fort), showing an earthwork cavalier and defensive walls, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View of the Lower North Taku Fort (the 2nd North Fort), showing earthwork cavaliers and defensive walls, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin) 
 
PH1986-0901-014 大沽炮台系列三张合景 Panorama showing the Pei (Hai) River delta, with the Lower North Taku Fort (the 2nd North Fort) and the Great South Taku Fort in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the Pei (Hai) River delta, with the Lower North Taku Fort (the 2nd North Fort) in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the Pei (Hai) River delta, with part of the Great South Taku Fort in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing the Pei (Hai) River delta, with part of the Great South Taku Fort in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 
PH1986-0901-015 大沽炮台系列三张合景 Panorama showing part of the Great South Taku Fort and the Pei (Hai) River delta, with the upper South Taku Fort, the Upper North Taku Fort and the Lower North Taku Fort (also known as the 2nd North Fort) in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing part of the Great South Taku Fort and the Pei (Hai) River delta, with the upper South Taku Fort and the Upper North Taku Fort in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing part of the Great South Taku Fort and the Pei (Hai) River delta, with the Lower North Taku Fort (also known as the 2nd North Fort) in the background, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)  View showing part of the outworks of the Great South Taku Fort and the Pei (Hai) River delta, Taku (Dagu), near Tientsin (Tianjin)
 
PH1986-0901-016 通州燃灯塔 View of the Tung-chow Pagoda (Tongzhou Pagoda, also known as Randeng Ta), Tung-chow (Tongzhou), near 
 
PH1986-0901-017 通州八里桥 View of the Palichao (Baliqiao) bridge, Tung-chow (Tongzhou)
 PH1986-0901-018 雍和宫万福阁 View of the Yonghe Gong(the Lama Temple) showing Wanfu Ge and other buildings,
 PH1986-0901-019 雍和宫万福阁 View of the Wanfu Ge and other buildings at the Yonghe Gong (the Lama Temple) 
 PH1986-0901-020 清漪园昆明湖万寿山玉泉山二张全景 Panorama of the Garden of the Clear Ripples showing Kunming Lake and ruins on Wanshou Shan, with Yuquan Shan in the background  View of the Garden of the Clear Ripples showing Kunming Lake, with Yuquan Shan in the background  View of the Garden of the Clear Ripples showing Kunming Lake and ruins on Wanshou Shan
 PH1986-0901-021 清漪园多宝琉璃塔 View of the Pagoda of Many Treasures , Garden of the Clear Ripples 
 PH1986-0901-022 清漪园文昌阁 View of the Belvedere of the God of Literature , Garden of the Clear Ripples 
 PH1986-0901-023 清漪园昙花阁 View of a building in Garden of the Clear Ripples 
 PH1986-0901-024 可能为一组石供的那张 View of  a Buddhist stone altar set in front of a tomb, near Tung-chow (Tongzhou)
 PH1986-0901-025 西黄寺清净化域塔前牌楼 Vew of the p'ai-lou at the entrance to the Panchen Pagoda (Qing Jing Huayu Dagoba), West Yellow Temple 
 PH1986-0901-026 安定门及地坛二张全景 Pnorama showing part of the walls and moat of the Inner City, with the Anting Gate (Anding Men) in the background, and part of the Altar to Earth  Partial view of the walls and moat of the Inner City, with the Anting Gate (Anding Men) in the background  Partial view of the moat of the Inner City and part of the Altar to Earth (also known as the Temple of Earth) 
 PH1986-0901-027 安定门 Vew of the Anting Gate (Anding Men)
 PH1986-0901-028 东直门二张全景 Panorama of the northeast corner watchtower, walls, and Dongzhi Gate of the Inner City  View of the east wall and Dongzhi Gate of the Inner City  View of the northeast corner watchtower and walls of the Inner City
 PH1986-0901-029 安定门(含大炮) View of the top of the wall of the Inner City, showing cannons, with the Yonghe Gong in the background
 
PH1986-0901-030 北海及西苑 Partial view of Jade Flowery Island showing the White Pagoda and other structures, Western Garden (Beihai Park) 
 PH1986-0901-031 西黄寺清净化域塔和牌楼
View of the Panchen Pagoda (also known as the Qing Jing Huayu Dagoba) and a p'ai-lou, West Yellow Temple 
 PH1986-0901-032 天坛祈年殿 View of the Hall of Prayer for a Good Harvest , Temple of Heaven 
 PH1986-0901-033 大高玄殿 View of a p'ai-lou and a building at the southeast corner of the temple complex of Ta-kao hsuan Hall (Dagaoxuan Dian) in the Imperial City
 PH1986-0901-034 紫禁城午门 View of the Meridian Gate to the Forbidden City
 PH1986-0901-035 天安门金水桥 Partial view of Tiananmen showing two huabiao and five of the Jinshuiqiao 
 PH1986-0901-036 清漪园智慧海 View of the Sea of Wisdom Temple , Garden of the Clear Ripples 
 PH1986-0901-037 街道店铺 View of shops in a street in the Outer City (also known as the Chinese City)
 PH1986-0901-038 街道店铺 View of shops in a street in the Inner City (also known as the Tartar City)
 PH1986-0901-039 紫禁城北海西苑全景 Panoramic view of the north-western section of the Imperial City showing Jade Flowery Island , the White Pagoda , part of North Lake and other structures and features of Western Garden , and showing other buildings in the vicinity 
 PH1986-0901-040 景山大高玄殿紫禁城二张全景 Panorama of Jingshan, the Ta-kao hsuan Hall (Dagaoxuan Dian) temple complex, and the Forbidden City and the Imperial Palace  View of Jingshan and the Ta-kao hsuan Hall (Dagaoxuan Dian) temple complex, also showing part of the Forbidden City and the Imperial Palace  View of the Forbidden City and the Imperial Palace

飞哥发表于 2009-5-26 08:37:00

rishon 发表于 2009-5-26 08:28:00

近两年来,或许是年纪的缘故,觉得研究一些问题不能再追求简单化的考查,而希望更加深入.当积累到一定程度,就需要一个平台表达出来.老北京就是这样一个平台.尽管我不是北京人,更多的还是对历史的关注.以前之所以不愿意看近代史,是因为觉得中国近代史是另人扼腕的.当对这段历史关注时,却又发现是残缺的.中国国内的近代史料很有限.很多都收藏于国外.
正如还未凑齐的十二生肖兽首,我们不能肯定的说,剩下的都已经不存在了.可能当年的拥有者忽视了他的价值,将其存放在某个角落,只是还未有人发掘.而收藏在国外的那些史料也正可能正静静的躺在某个库房内,只是还没有人去打开而已.

尚可喜老乡 发表于 2009-10-22 20:57:00

中国人的耻辱。不过做为历史那些照片是没说的
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山姆大叔 发表于 2010-8-2 19:37:00

这些照片太珍贵了，可以说是研究第二次鸦片战争的第一手资料！是原有原始资料上的一次大的突破，我很支持斑马的观点，一定要有开拓精神，很多关于第二次鸦片战争的第一手资料肯定在国外，需要我们去挖掘！希望斑马先生有新的突破！有新的发现和研究成果！

sanheyan 发表于 2011-10-18 16:19:00

大沽口炮台是中华民族抗击侵略，不畏强权的历史见证。

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服务器里的北京 - 老北京网's Archiver

比托拍天津大沽口炮台系列照片再整理