孟三 发表于 2007-1-19 22:38:00

[求助]

<p>请教屈老师:</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 请您给讲讲老北京“在理儿”的人,“在理儿”的规矩,“理”是什么教吗?</p>

老北京 发表于 2007-1-20 23:35:00

<p>同学的回答:</p><p>“在理儿”说的是入了道理门儿的人家,这是一种戒烟戒酒的民间组织,有其自己的管理机构,类似于宗教,但是否有自己具体的崇拜对象,不是很清楚。入了道理门儿之后,不仅自己禁忌烟酒,对婚姻对象也作同等要求。</p>

孟三 发表于 2007-1-21 00:08:00

好像还不是这么简单,请您再给讲一讲他的起源、规矩内容、组织结构、除了约束烟酒之外还对做人有什么要求。日常生活有什么形式上的功课。

老北京 发表于 2007-1-21 00:34:00

<p>&nbsp;呵呵,睡不着了,跟评书迷找了找资料。&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 理教又称“在理教”、“理门”、“白衣道”,传至民国时代,与明清时期相比,最显著的变化是其可双公开传教而不被禁止。</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 一九三三的,中华全民理教联合会成立,成为全国理教的最高领导机构。他布在上海、北京、河北、江苏、安徽、河南、江西、山东、东北三省的理教公所会曾达三千个以上,男女信徒即“大众”、“二众”达几十万人。</p><p>  民国时代的理教教义主要有以下内容:</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 三教归一,只以拜观音、羊来如和尹岩生两位教祖,不供奉其他偶像;“八戒”,即戒杀、戒贪、戒淫、戒妄、戒恶、孝顺、和睦、行善;默念“观世音菩萨”五字“真言”,求福免灾。但是却不能提,即所谓“观世音菩萨”五字真经,若欲称此五字时,可用“老佛爷”三字来替代。</p><p>民国时期,理门儿的规矩大概如此:</p><p>  公所。一般有两间或两间以上的房屋,前堂供观音,后堂供羊祖、尹祖。每月的初一和十五,教徒秘须到堂中焚香礼拜。</p><p>  摆斋。在理教的节日如夏历腊月初八举行的宗教仪式,不仅要烧香叩头,还要当众宣讲各种教义。</p><p>  此外,还有“点理”(收新教徒的仪式)和“放法”(选新教主的仪式)等。<br/></p>
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同仁堂后裔 发表于 2007-1-21 08:16:00

<p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">楼主您好</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">就我所知道的介绍如下<span lang="EN-US"><p></p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;"><p><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">&nbsp;&nbsp; 中国最早的民间禁毒组织——理门</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;理门是一个产生于清朝初期的,于清朝中后期兴盛起来的,带有民间宗教色彩的,以禁戒烟酒、鸦片为主要特色的民间慈善组织。曾盛行于大江南北,过去曾有“南洪门,北理门”之说。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">
                        <span lang="EN-US"><p></p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 理门的创始人叫羊来如。羊来如是明末清初的民间传奇人物,本姓杨,名泽,字廷贤,山东即墨县人。史书记载,崇祯十六年,杨泽二十二岁时,中癸未科进士。未及殿试,李自成攻陷北京。当时杨泽正在其朋友吏部考功司员外郎许直家中。杨泽忠于明朝,得知崇祯死讯后欲殉国。许直劝其“君未仕,尚可全孝,宜归里奉母,以策后图。”次日早晨,杨泽发现许直已自缢身亡,乃遵许直所嘱,挥泪回乡。杨泽回乡孝奉其母终老,后又守墓三年。此时清朝已定鼎中华,征诏明朝遗老。杨泽为避征诏,改姓羊,名宰,后取号来如,隐居于蓟州岐山澜水洞,参禅打坐,研究理学,闭关四十九年。后来羊来如心有所得,创立了一套以儒家忠孝思想为主,综合了佛、道两家的思想,后来系统化,称为“在理”,也叫理门。由于羊来如极其反对烟酒,禁戒烟酒便成为了理门的最主要特色。康熙四十年</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">(1702</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">年</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">)</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">,羊来如八十一岁时下山传道,从正定到东安(今河北省廊坊市安次),历时五载,跋涉千里,度化八处,择孝子义士,传弟子十五人,史称“羊祖八度”。其中第五度在天津,第六度在杨柳青。羊来如八度后回岐山继续隐居,在岐山收有十大坐山弟子。毛来迟就是第十位。</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">
                        <span lang="EN-US"><p></p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 乾隆十八年六月二十四日,羊来如去世,时年一百三十三岁。传说,他去世时,异香满洞,天现异彩,钟鼓声齐鸣,空中琴音奏响一时之久,满天白云三日不散,鸟兽悲鸣数日而去。至今蓟县一带还有关于羊来如的种种传说,岐山仍有澜水洞遗迹留存。但是羊来如所创的理门却在民间流传日盛。</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 理门发源地——蓟县岐山</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><p>&nbsp;</p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="left" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; 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孟三 发表于 2007-1-21 23:14:00

<p>二位真是博学多才,并可称得上是古道热肠、诲人不倦。</p><p>老北京的事,很多是从老舍、邓友梅的小说中知道的,自以为懂了一些,现在看来不过是一鳞半爪,真是学海无涯啊!</p><p>感谢两位老师的赐教!</p>
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旗人吃老米 发表于 2007-1-22 17:33:00

嘿!这个组织不错啊!

老北京人 发表于 2007-1-23 01:39:00

<p>过去老北京像这样的组织有很多,后来"在理儿"也不只是一个单一的禁戒烟酒的组织了,还有什么"捡纸门"——(民间环保组织)等这样的民间组织!但是这些组织都是依附于宗教的组织,在庙会或者大型的宗教活动场所进行活动!所以老北京话“在理儿”到后来就变为所有民间自发宗教组织的统称了!</p>

孟三 发表于 2007-1-23 09:31:00

从《在理儿》说开去!好呀!希望引申为更深、更广、的诸多内容,这样的论坛才有意思。

yoyao 发表于 2008-11-18 20:22:00

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